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could some one please inform me the reason for the big lake being wired off im very upset by this especially when my dog cools off in the water when its hot (has it been fenced off to stop all dog walkers useing that area)and why has our taxes been used in this way to stop us useing it. | |||||
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country park weed 23 June 2010 12:47:23
and the disalbled aft to lift there tackle over the fence to get to the lake and also the fisher men have rights to take there cars round the lake 7/7 to drop off tackle so you got to watch your kids when you take them for walks
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country park fisherman 23 June 2010 14:00:36
The reason part of the lake has been fenced of is because of irresponsible dog owners allowing there dogs to attack the wild life as once again this year a chick was killed by a dog.As for your taxes being used they are not as everything that is done on the country park is done with grant aid.
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country park tusti2 23 June 2010 22:07:39
i beleive that the lake is there for fishing and not just for dogs too cool down.The fishermen there pay money for using the lake they also pay extra to get their car around there.There has also been dog that are not on leads attacking the wildlife around the lake so that could be the reason
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country park mw 24 June 2010 10:58:12
I too am not happy about the lake being sectioned off. I take my kids down there loads and we sit on the side of the bank with a picnic and just enjoy the surroundings, feed the birds and watch the huge fish. We also sometimes take our dog who loves a swim, and we are extremely responsible and would never allow her in the water if birds are near, she would never attack the wildlife anyway. What an absolute shame that we all have to lose out because the minority of people are stupid and irresponsible. What a world we live in!!!
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country park weed 24 June 2010 18:03:57
so if the fishermen have got to pay four the keys to get there cars round the lake i would like to know where to get them so i can go and get one so i can take my dogs in my and park near the lake so i can see it when i am walking my dog can someone please advise to where i can apply
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country park KW 24 June 2010 19:56:45
As far as I am aware keys are only held by fishermen because they rent the lake for pleasure and match fishing. Keys to the lower part of the lake are only available to disabled anglers for obvious reasons.
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country park weed 25 June 2010 14:44:44
as i.v just been told one fits all so why carn't the dog walkers buy a key and because the fishermen rent the lake that don't make as if they own the placei thought the country park was for all to enjoy
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country park Cllr Bryan Tansley 28 June 2010 19:51:07
Heron Lake is managed by the Diamond Fishing Club and is not intended for dog bathing.The main reason for the new fencing around the lake is to protect the conservation area, particularly at the southern end of the lake. Recently, this has been the home of a pair of swans and their 8 cygnets.Access gates will be provided to allow access by fishing folk and the general public but notices will shortly be installed to re-enforce the no dog bathing request.An added bonus of the fencing is that it has provided a more secure area for the pupils of Ash Lea school at their weekly fishing sessions provided by club members. The Friends of Cotgrave Country Park group are currently exploring the possibility of providing a seperate area of water for dog use.
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country park stones fan 07 July 2010 19:36:43
Thought it was Cotgrave Diamond Welfare fishing club. Get your finger on the pulse you are supposed to know these things
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country park keefy 09 July 2010 00:08:06
I understand that the old pit site is now a country park that has nature trail signs all around it and the lake. I like many other people take their dogs for long walks around the whole area, so WHY is there only one i repeat one dog bin in the whole of the Heron lake site. I wouldnt have thought the bins for dog waste where that expensive especially when concillors keep banging on about responsible dog owners, what about responsible councillors making sure that there are adequate bins for all those dog owners who exercise their dogs around there. Please supply more bins.
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country park fisherman 09 July 2010 13:07:40
there where more dog bins until the morons set fire to them
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country park Russ 08 August 2010 00:08:24
If you have a dog take your plastic bags with you. Simple.If you take your dog around the lake be aware that nesting wildlife are on the agenda for your dog. Big or small, your dog will want to find/kill/eat wild fowl. The nesting wild fowl, already at risk from other predators, will not be able to protect themselves. So its up to you dog owners.
Really. The survival of the park's wildlife is up to YOU dog owners!
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country park Penny 14 August 2010 18:08:24
Hi. The dog walkers who log on to this site might be interested to know that some of us are now starting a campaign to fight for our rights down at the Country Park. In recent days, many dog walkers have expressed to me how angry they are at the fence being put round the lake, and how fed-up they are with the levels of verbal abuse they have to endure from the fishermen, if they take their dogs round the lake. Some of us feel that enough is enough; dog walkers have conceded to the demands of others too often and too readily in the past, and it is time to fight for our rights. If you are interested in joining us, it would be lovely to have you on board and I will post further information about our campaign when I have it available.I might have a partial answer to your query re the fence around the lake. A friend and I attended the meeting of Friends of Cotgrave Country Park last Tuesday evening (10th August), in hopes that we might be able to put the dog walkers' case and find out why it is that dog owners are apparently being so victimised. The answer was clear; I don't think I have ever come across such a narrow-minded group, with opinions so set in stone and such a strong reluctance to compromise. You should've HEARD what we are being accused of! According to the Friends Group, it seems, all the dog owners want to do is make a mess, kill the wildlife and generally cause havoc! Needless to say, none of the assembled 'Friends' could claim to own a dog, although a couple said they walked dogs for their relatives. There was a real'anti-dog' feeling, I felt, which was compounded by representatives of the fishermen, who made what I felt were some pretty wild claims about what our dogs do, and what we are wanting to do, down at the Country Park.
I DID get a clear answer on one thing: The Anglers do NOT HAVE a legal right to stop us going to the lake. All they do, is RENT the use of the lake from the Borough Council, so any change in usage rules would have to come from them. Since the Park was originally given to ALL the residents of Cotgrave, I think we should challenge any attempt by the Council to prevent us going to the lake anyway.
The fishing club pays to use the lake, as I said, and members of the 'Friends' group were quick to say how much they have done to make the area round the lake pleasant for wildlife. I guess the unspoken REAL reason behind all this 'loving care' is probably because the fishermen want to encourage breeding amongst the fish. But that was skated over.
One chap from the fishing club did give my friend a full apology for the verbal abuse she received when she took her dog walking by the lake the other week, and he promised the matter would be looked into. But it seemed clear that this little panel of people on the 'Friends' committee are getting their own way precisely because the dog walkers are under-represented and have not been fighting for their rights.
I don't actually believe a word of the arguments about dogs killing wildlife, etc. All dogs chase things, and hunt - it's in their nature, and many country sports still require dogs to fulfil the purpose for which they were originally bred. But few domestic dogs ever catch anything, and most reasonable owners wouldn't allow their dogs to do that kind of damage, anyway. I personally choose not to take my dogs down to the Park during breeding season, for example, because I don't want them disturbing any nesting birds or frightening any chicks. All the dog owners I know are just as responsible, and I don't know of a single person who would stand by and watch while their dog killed an animal.
What is LAUGHABLE about the whole thing, of course, is that the anglers are justifying their own actions, and selfishness, by claiming a 'concern' for the environment and wildlife; yet what they are arguing for is a sport that entails hoiking beautiful fish out of their environment, subjecting them to the terrifying experience of being on a hook and gasping for air, and in many cases being left seriously maimed or killed. FOR SPORT!! This is what's so sickeningly ironic about the whole thing. What is also glossed over is that - with the best will in the world - hooks, lines and weights are going to get broken off and left in the lake, and there is every chance that swans and other birds will swallow them, or get caught in abandoned lined, and suffer a vile death from that, as a result. Yet somehow, all of this is being ignored in favour of generating a great ballyhoo about whether or not dogs MIGHT chase/worry/catch any of the birds down at the park, who at the end of the day do have the option to fly off if they are worried. Birds who get caught in lines whilst swimming on the lake, or whilst diving underwater searching for food, don't have that chance, do they? One of the fishermen at last Tuesday's meeting actually pretended that the levels of abuse we have been receiving from the fishermen was BECAUSE they are trying to warn us about the lines and other paraphernalia under the water's surface, and they 'wouldn't want' any dogs hurt by them. So - there you are. Confirmation that fishing at that lake has made it a dangerous place for ALL animals - straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.
Since the meeting, I've been trying to think of a situation in the 'real world' that might mirror what is happening down at the Country Park. The closest I can get to it is this: all of us who live in Cotgrave pay towards the upkeep of the Leisure Centre, as I'm sure you know. Just as we pay something towards the upkeep of the Park, whatever others might be arguing. If nothing else, we are paying to have the VERY FEW dog pooh bins provided there emptied by the Council. So - we're all paying a basic cost for the services anyway. But if you or I want to use the leisure centre facilities (say, to go swimming or use the gym), we have to pay extra, don't we? This could perhaps be the equivalent of buying a day's fishing licence for river or lake fishing. Now, if you choose to become a MEMBER of the leisure centre, paying a fee every month to use the facilities whenever you like, then - using the Angler's Argument - that should give you carte blanche to then do whatever you like, including making everybody else's life a misery. So - using the Angler's Argument - if you, as a MEMBER of the leisure centre happened to go down there and found someone loitering in the lobby, or sitting having a drink in the cafe, or using the pool, who you didn't like the look of, you should feel absolutely comfortable with just hurling as much abuse at them as you feel like hurling. Be as rude as you like, and frighten them as well, if you can. All of this will be OK, because YOU are a MEMBER of the leisure centre, and therefore, you have far more rights than anybody else who happens to be using it, or using it less than you. Do you see the analogy? I mean, I don't recommend you try it - behave like that in a public place like the leisure centre, and you'll find yourself arrested and carted off in no time. But if you are a fisherman, and you've paid the Council for the right to fish in Cotgrave Country Park's lake, then you can apparently do what you like. And demand what you like. And with the full support of the Friends of Cotgrave Country Park, it seems you are very likely to get it!
I don't normally post on forum sites, but I noticed your posting, and the postings of some of the other dog walkers who are raising concern on the forum, and I thought I'd say my bit. I did feel, at the end of last week's meeting, that in the long-term, plans might be introduced to either ban dogs from the park completely or force us all to walk them round there on leads. We need to be prepared for any such moves and fight for our rights NOW, not when it is too late!
I have told Brian Tansley that I am sure dog walkers would LOVE to have the other lake converted into a 'dog pool'. Elderly dogs, and dogs with injured muscles particularly benefit from a good swim, and our vet recommends it as one of the best therapies. The problem with lining that lake, and filling it with water, is that there is no water going into it, so it might still dry out in summer. But I think any small concession would be better than nothing at all, so I hope everyone will support the plans for the dog lake.
Can I also say that the excuse for not putting dog pooh bins all round the park is that the Council can't get its trucks in to empty them. I don't believe that excuse either, personally, because they seem to manage to get their vehicles into the park when there's an event on there that they want to manage. I think it comes down to cost. There WERE plans to install a warden down there, but none has appeared to far. Again, it is my opinion that a warden would only be installed to try and fine dog walkers and other park users for every tiny misdemeanour, to bolster Council funds. I hope they don't do it, but again, I hope that the dog walkers will be prepared to fight for our rights if any attempt is made to do so. We ARE actually expected to carry pooh bags round the park with us for however many hours we are down there, by the way!! 'Elf and Safety gone mad, again, I'd say!
I will be in touch with further information for the dog walkers, and best wishes to you all.
